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The Agency Spark Podcast, hosted by Sara Nay, is a collection of short-form interviews from thought leaders in the marketing consultancy and agency space. Each episode focuses on a single topic with actionable insights you can apply today.
About this episode:
In this episode of the Agency Spark Podcast, Sara talks with Dr. Fred Moss on why connection is the ultimate source of healing in all areas of life.
Dr. Fred Moss, MD is the foremost expert on delivering your True Voice into the world so that it can heal. Your voice matters. Your voice can heal.
Dr. Fred has been actively practicing in the mental health field internationally for over 40 years, and as a psychiatrist, has been an unwavering stand for the transformation of the prevailing, disempowering conversation that encompasses the industry globally. He is a firm believer that conversation, communication, creativity, and human connection are ultimately at the source of all healing of all conditions in all fields.
Along with being a highly successful restorative/transformational coach, his signature technology, True Voice Podcasting is for people who are ready to take their lives back by speaking their authentic message into the world. TVP is designed to guide people from all walks of life, who are ready to rediscover the confidence and courage necessary to bring their full and real humanity back into all areas of their life.
Dr. Fred’s conversations and talks are designed to be thought-provoking and compelling and leave audiences refreshed and revitalized, with a new sense of what it really means to be a human being.
- why communication is so important for your mental health
- how to have the confidence to express your true voice
- insights on how to live a meaningful and purposeful life
More from Dr. Fred Moss:
Sara Nay (00:00): Welcome to the agency spark podcast. This is your host, Sarah nay. And today on the show, I have Dr. Fred Moss, who is a foremost expert on delivering your true voice into the world so that it can heal your voice matters. Your voice can heal. Dr. Fred has been actively practicing in the mental health field internationally for over 40 years, along with being a highly successful restorative and transformational coach. His signature technology, true voice podcasting is for people who are ready to take their life back by speaking their authentic message into the world. So welcome to the show Dr. Fred,
Dr. Fred Moss (01:01): It's great to be here. Thanks for having me and Sarah. It's really just an honor to be talking to you. I look forward to our conversation today.
Sara Nay (01:08): I absolutely look forward to learning from you today. And so the topic that I wanna dive into is your belief that conversation, communication, creativity, and human connections are ultimately the source of all healing of all conditions. Exactly. So Dr. Fred, the show is yours. I'd love to hear what you have to say on that story.
Dr. Fred Moss (01:25): That's really, it's, it's just, you know, I know you think it's at my opinion or stuff or my idea, but I didn't make this thing up. This has been going on for years and years. You could say decades and decades. You could say centuries and centuries, you could say millennium and millennium. We already all knew this. Every one of us all knew it. We've known it since the beginning of time. You knew it. When you were a kid, you knew it before you started kindergarten. You knew it. You've known it the whole time. That really the only time you really feel great, the only time there's a whole sense of being healed, of being connected, of being resonant, of being grounded of it, being purposeful is when you can find somebody or a group of people who actually connect to together with you, what we want more than anything is to be heard is to be connected and is to be loved and respected.
Dr. Fred Moss (02:10): We all want that. Everything else that we do, uh, is all in fact, similarly to that, which we are seeking, which is to be heard to be connected with. So how did I get to be this guy? So, first of all, I would say that I was born as this guy and the day that I was born into a family in a fair amount of chaos and disarray. So my brothers, 10 years and 14 years, my senior told me, and they were hoping for me to bring joy communication conversation and yes, connection to this family so that they could finally heal inside of whatever was going on with them as a young child, a strapping bundle of joy. I think I did a pretty great job apparently for a couple years, until my brother started becoming irritated with me, but that's a conversation for a different show.
Dr. Fred Moss (02:54): And then I really fell in love with communication. I would watch those four adults speak from my playpen and really think, oh, I wanna be that. I wanna learn how to do that because, and that's where all the action is. And I thought that it would happen in school, but it didn't happen in school when I went to kindergarten and it really eager to learn how to communicate. Instead, there were, my colleagues were throwing blocks and picking their nose and doing stuff like that. And I was already precocious. I knew how to read a little bit. I knew how to write. I knew how to do math and I wanted to just learn how to communicate, but it wasn't going to happen in kindergarten. So I thought maybe the older kids would, she show me the fourth graders and fifth graders and sixth graders. But as I grew through school, I saw that it wasn't happening there either.
Dr. Fred Moss (03:37): And it kept on looking like someday soon, I'll learn how to communicate, you know, effectively and learn how to I'd go. Maybe school would be like communication, mastery training, but that isn't what happened either in junior high. And you could learn that, you know, quite quickly that, that isn't what happened in high school, either where the curriculum started being less and less communication, actually more regurgitating facts. Exactly. As the professors are teaching me, wanted teachers wanted me to, and the more accurate I was on memorizing facts and then delivering it back to them, just like they said it, then they would call me a good student and allow me to move to the next grade. Well, that's the last thing from an open discourse and was completely disturbing and completely dis disappointing. So I figured, okay, university, that's where this is gonna happen. So I went to university of Michigan.
Dr. Fred Moss (04:23): I was born and, and raised in Detroit. It was an easy hit to try to go to the university of Michigan. And I went there for about a year and a half and only learned what we've already been through that, that conventionally, that isn't, what's really called for in education. So I dropped out and then I went to California and on a bus and learned how to try to find myself and actually found myself in Berkeley, California that year. But I didn't have a job. So on my way back, I went, my parents like, come back, get a degree. Then you can go find out who your life is about. Okay, I'll try that. I went back and that didn't work again. I learned how to study computers. The truth is there was only one computer in the entire state of Michigan when I went back.
Dr. Fred Moss (05:02): And that was a two acre facility in the center of the university of Michigan campus called the computer center. And, and I didn't wanna do that either. So I dropped out again. Now that time I got a job and I got a job as a childcare worker working in a state mental health facility for adolescents. These were boys who were five or seven years younger than me, but they were just human beings going through the world, trying to figure out how, what their life was about too. Like that's what we were doing. And it was just so great to finally connect and realize that I was getting paid to connect with people. And I already knew that's where the magic was, but it really got driven home that all I wanted to do was connect with people because we were healing each other and healing the world.
Dr. Fred Moss (05:42): But it's just by connecting. But the way medicine and psychiatry was treating, these kids was unacceptable to me. We would call them and say, Tim was up too late. Or Johnny and Jimmy had gotten in a fight and the doctor would come down and then take his weapon out this thing called a pen and write something in a chart. And then we would have to go find Jimmy and hold him down in the quiet room and yank on his sweat pants a little bit, and then jam him full of injectable high level antipsychotic sedative medication. And if he was out of his misery for the next 12 or 24 hours, we'd call that a success story. Now that was so horrible for me. That was so unbelievably horrible for me to do that every, you know, many times per week that I decided I would go back to school one more time and bring mental health into mental health and notion of communication again.
Dr. Fred Moss (06:29): And I that's been my driving force the whole time. Now I've had many challenges because Prozac was introduced to the world during the time that I was in medical school and mental health became a biological field. The chemical imbalances we think is what causes our discomfort. It isn't really what I think, but it's what they think. So it's over the next several years, I became a premier psycho pharmacologist, which was entirely ridiculous because what I went into school for was actually the opposite of that. And here I was having now written a hundred thousand different medicine prescriptions because I had been so duplicitous during this time and my heart was wrenching. My soul was sacrificing. I began to just see that this is a worthless life too. This was not working for me. Not worthless. I still would inject communication, but it, but I wasn't being counted on for that anymore.
Dr. Fred Moss (07:18): In 2006 is when I started what I call my true voice moment. And I tried pulling people off of medicine and started pulling people off of their diagnosis. Now, as radical as that sounds, it's more hilarious that it's radical than anything else. We don't even shake when we start people on medicine or give them diagnosis. But to take 'em off, people are like, you did what, you know, I just took 'em off the stuff that wasn't working. You did what it's like. No, that's all I did really. And it's what the whole society thinks when they hear about me. The UN now is what I call. So I undiagnosed UN medicate and then Nate people, I give them back their life. I give them back their optimized life. I create health and healing through none other than creativity, communication conversation and yes, connection. There's no question that at the heart of all healing, the fundamental thing, even if you're going to a doctor for a different reason, is in the world of communication and connection.
Dr. Fred Moss (08:16): And I have great stories from doctor friends who have cured knee pain and ear aches and all that simply by connecting with their patient client. So now that's been my dedication. That's been my commitment. I now get to speak without ums or butts. I now get to look at someone in the eye and tell 'em what I do, which isn't that much different than what I knew when I was for. Yeah. And it's not anything new. That's, what's so exciting about it. It's not that radical, except because everyone else has been shifted off of what they already known into these overly complicated non-working models. Yeah. We think this is new. The truth is this isn't new at all. We all have known it the whole time. And now I know it again. And I'm a stand for people. That's welcome to humanity. That's my main brand. And that's find your true voice, which is my more singular brand these days. That's the name of my new book. People on your show, by the way, if they wanna find they wanna go dig, dig deeper about this, ordering my book. I'll give it to them for free I'll I'll send it shipping included. It's find your true voice book.com. And we go Digger digging a little bit deeper into how to actually find that true voice that's been here the whole time underneath it, all that is ready to be expressed. Yeah.
Sara Nay (09:25): And I I'd love, I would love to absolutely. Grab a copy of your book. You got my attention that's for sure. But do you mind giving, before we wrap up just a couple minute overview of what's included in the process in the book.
Dr. Fred Moss (09:36): Yeah. So the book itself, really's 10 particular insights that you might need to know to finally get your true voice out there. It's written mostly for leaders, consultants and, and, um, coaches. So I know that's part of the group that is listening, um, to this message today. And that's right on the title that it says that. And so the process is, goes really at all of us who have been doing that. Who've been helping other people find their voice, but in the meantime have had our own voices muted as if it's not about us at all. So our relationships are struggling and suffering. Our work advancements are struggling and suffering. We are choking on what we know. We should say. Instead, we are saying what we are accounted on to say. So I like to think that, you know, on my true voice moment in 2006, I like to think that I made a transformation from being a doctor to being a healer.
Dr. Fred Moss (10:25): So the question I would like to ask your listeners is where in your world are you still being a doctor doing, what's say, ask of you doing what is in your job description, doing what the world wants you to do rather than doing what you know is right. What's coming from your heart. What's coming from your soul. Where is your true voice being? Where is it being stifled? Where is it being muffled? Where are there too many obstacles? Where are you not speaking your truth? And in fact, suffering in the workplace, in the personal life place, in your own self place. And this book takes some just hard line, obvious, very obvious and friendly, gentle ways to rediscover in your true voice and then delivering it into the world so that you get the appreciation and the receipt. And even the applause that you deserve by speaking your honest, authentic self.
Sara Nay (11:13): I love that. And especially as a coach and a consultant myself, oftentimes a lot of the work that we do is all about everyone else that we're serving. And it's important to take a step back and focus on what's important to you in your own voice as you're. Yeah.
Dr. Fred Moss (11:25): And not to, not in any way to diminish. In fact, uh, another book that I wrote called the creative eight speaks, art, music, dancing, singing, drama, cooking, writing, and gardening, the eight things that we can use while we're creating to, to reduce the negative vibration we'll call 'em symptoms or experiences that people have while you're creating those things tend to diminish or in fact, distinguish altogether extinguish altogether. So the last one of that, when all else fails, or you don't have time to do anything, but one thing is to help anybody do anything. So this idea of service is there's nothing more rewarding in fact, than being of service for service sake in all of humanity. There's, that's the cool thing. We all wanna be served. That's a, and then we all wanna be of service. That's B mm-hmm
Sara Nay (12:42): Yeah, absolutely. I could honestly sit here and, and learn from you all day. If people wanna connect with you online and continue to learn from your, where can they find you?
Dr. Fred Moss (12:50): One of the places is, and if you really have to find me, please email me. I think this was a really good, as we said, it would be a 12 to 15 minute conversation. A good overview of what I'm about is just to email me directly at Dr. Fred, welcome to humanity.net. I have my book again, find your true voice book.com. Find your true voice book.com. And if this is being aired, uh, before the end of may, and I think it is, there's just this terrific event on May 28th, that I'll be hosting, which is the third event inside of this. We, the people summit where we're showing people that they already are influencers, just like they are. I have assembled some of the most powerful people in the planet, uh, speaking to what it is to be an influencer. And I interview them during the summit.
Dr. Fred Moss (13:28): We it'll be a blockbuster by May 28th. Our second one is May 14th and met we're just this morning. I met with a group that's ready to make the momentum go super large for May 28th, Memorial day Saturday. And that event is really geared towards not only finding your own influencer ship, but it's a donation event. It's a benefit. And all three of these benefits are, uh, in, in place to raise a million dollars for the people devastated in the war in Eastern Europe. My wife is 100% Ukrainian. Probably some of her art will be auctioned off by that time. And the Don the summit itself is free. You find a registration at we, the people summit, we, the people summit.online. We, the people summit.online. And then we're asking for donations at whatever level, you feel comfortable from $1 all the way up to whatever you can afford.
Dr. Fred Moss (14:17): And it doesn't, it's not even mandatory that you donate. You can enjoy the summit without donating, but I think you'll see the time has come to speak. Our true voice. The time has come to help others. We don't have to, you don't have to speak your true voice. You keep doing. You could keep speaking your bent voice if you want, but the troubles that are out here in this world that make the future look pretty grim. If we don't do anything, the only way we're gonna get on the other side of that is actually speaking our true voice and being a service to our fellow humans. And that's all that's left to do. If you got something better to do, you should do that. But in the meantime, if you don't, that's a good one to step into. So
Sara Nay (14:53): That's what I couldn't agree more
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